If you were speeding, I'd suggest paying the tickets. If you are a resident of another country or region, please select the appropriate version of Tripadvisor for your country or region in the drop-down menu. Unless you want to stick to countries without cameras (Scandinavia, Czech Republic) or very limited use of same (UK, Ireland) you are just going to have to accept getting camera tickets as a cost of renting a car in Europe. Upload your case files and our specialist motoring solicitors will review them. In relation to your query, European laws have moved on since this post and a new cross border agreement (2015/413) came into force on May 6th 2015 allowing authorities in each member state to search the databases of drivers in each member state so that drivers that have been found to have committed a traffic offence in a foreign jurisdiction can be tracked down and fined. The two remaining options are more realistic. ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-86972735', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');France--mailed to me in the USA. He wrote letters for us to the authorities and we had to request a copy of the picture. I have never heard of or seen posted an experience of a car renter getting a ticket mailed back from Ireland or the UK to the US. There are cameras EVERYWHERE in this country. When 40kph to 49kph its 135 and in . This is my very first speeding ticket ever. Nordheim: because the seemingly complete online posting of all enforcement cameras at photoenforced.com by volunteers had nothing for Norway I assumed it was true. The ticket seems to be 121 km in a 110 zone which in the area I was travelling I thought the limit was 130 most of the time so it must have been in a speed trap area. Is it worth going to trial by myself since I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars to a paralegal? The EU have helpfully produced a guide which can be viewed online and downloaded as an app to ensure that drivers can familiarise themselves with the driving laws of 28 member states before they visit and take to the road. Eucaris makes no use of a central European database. To help you purchase from Geoffrey Miller Solicitors, we have partnered with Kandoo, a regulated credit broker to offer all our customers a range of highly flexible finance options. Article 5 I understand from various authorities in Uk (My MP/Honest John/Metropolitan Police) that if I do not pay the fine I will suffer if I go back to Switzerland. We often receive queries about whether someone has to pay for a fine from abroad, but rarely do we deal with people who were sent their fine in a different language. If you ever travel abroad again the EU have produced a guide which can be viewed online here and downloaded as an app to ensure that you can familiarise yourself with the driving laws of the 28 member states before you visit and take to the road. You are correct that as it stands if you do not pay the fine then you will only suffer if you go back to Switzerland. john, there have been numerous discussions of this, if you'll search "speeding ticket" in the box at the top of the page they come up. I know that the French authorities won't arrest us on our doorstep, but could this come back to haunt us should we ever return to France and rent a hire car again? Somewhere in the agreement that you accepted, you agreed to pay for the speeding ticket administrative fee. I was driving in France this October and did notice a white van speed past me just to abruptly slow down and slide back in behind me in the right lane. I hope it did not ruin your holiday. The fine was 80 Euros which increased steeply if not paid within 28 days. (Other than drive slower next time.) Appeal the late charges here: https://www.usagers.antai.gouv.fr/demarches/saisienumero?lang=en, Find the exact locations of your flash camera here: https://www.legipermis.com/infractions/localisation-infraction.html, Pay your fine here: https://www.amendes.gouv.fr. I really don't think that rental car are more targeted. I don't think anyone here knows for sure what will happen if you don't pay it so there's no point in speculating. It is also possible that even if it is still transposed, that it will be repealed, along with other EU directives that are found to not be suitable. So what are the list of countries that have the new arrangement with (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? Traveled seven days on secondary roads, stayed within the speed that most cars were going. It seems you may have now learnt that it is best to respect the speed limits :). The accession of new Member States to Eucaris through the Eucaris Treaty progressed rapidly, starting with Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxembourg in 1994 and the UK following soon after in 1995. In France, they have a 0 km/h tolerance above the limit. As for the OP being 28 kph over the limit (around 18 mph) on secondary roads he should be ashamed of his poor, and possibly reckless, driving. If you were following the other cars at the same speed. My husband learned to drive in France in the 1960's, has driven there every year since, and has never had a ticket. I've not had one but if there's a reciprocal agreement between the UK and France you may get a fine here. However, if you do wish to pay the fine, I suggest that you take the matter up with the company you leased the hire car from as they should have passed your details to the German authorities. The "how" should be shown on the violation notices you received. https://www.antai.gouv.fr/en/rubriquepage/257/avisdecontravention/commentcontester, https://www.antai.gouv.fr/en/rubriquepage/258/avisdecontravention/formulairedecontestationenligne:aideavotredemarche, http://etsc.eu/faq-eu-cross-border-enforcement-directive/. Ugh. ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-57822753', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');France, so that they may forward a speeding ticket? It is also true here, that if you are keeping up with the flow of traffic, you usually won't be cited. Speeding ticket from France. I also understand the swiss police cannot legally pursue me in UK courts or via Bailiffs i.e. Given that some months have now passed, I would advise that you do not do anything until you receive a letter from the German Authorities requesting payment of the fine. This accords with the historic position that each country traditionally exercises its national sovereignty in refusing to recognize foreign penal judgments. As already mentioned a lot of radar or speed cameras are automatic, so all those other people you were keeping up with probably got a ticket as well. Jeanette Miller regularly appears on TV and Radio and is available to give her expert motoring law advice. Conversely, if you don't pay your ticket or contest it within 45 days, the amount shoots up to 375. When speeding 1kph over to 19kph over the fine 45 and 20kph to 39kph it's a 90 penalty. Answer (1 of 23): The question is quite shocking. Do you know of anyway to find out if I still owe for the speeding fine? View our Website Terms of Use, Privacy and Cookies policy, Accessibility Policy, Personal Indemnity Insurance Policy, Sitemap.Please note that our calls may be recorded for training and/or contractual purposes. I assume the advice given is correct and will not come under the new regime rules for May 2017. Therefore the dial may read 114 km/h when you are travelling at 100 km/h. Anger: Those btars are targeting foreigners for easy money. Every time to pass by the indication of a town or village it's 50 km/h. ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-50323927', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');car two weeks ago for a road trip from Grenoble to Mt. Typically, the (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? So if you plan on coming back to (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-53017867', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');France now. If you move, you must either call them on 132 213 or use this online form to change your address within 14 days. After they have received them, they can request that you pay the speeding fine, if that is the offence you have been caught committing. Our experience in the south and southwest part of the country last autumn was that they're housed in dark green steel pedestals (about 10"x10"x5' tall) with absolutely no signage beforehand. I don't know if this applies to France, but some posts here in the past have indicated that municipal authorities (at least in Italy) have hired North American collection agencies to track down scofflaws on this side of the pond. I got one of those speeding tickets just outside of Bruges. Fortunately I drive very conservatively anyway so we did not incur any fines. Italy can issue points to drivers which will only affect them in Italy, but sending off your information should be whats necessary, not your licence. Unit 3 Digital Park, 3 Pacific Way, Salford (Media City) M50 1DR. No (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? As, currently, there is no mention of the law being applied retrospectively, and it will only come into effect this May, all alleged offences that were committed before May should have no standing under the new law. A mate lives is a Monaco resident (but lives just outside in France) and . Funny to see this here, just yesterday I received my unexpected speeding ticket from (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? interesting site I found re: French tickets, http://www.americancommunityinfrance.com/pay-your-french-speeding-tickets-online-and-avoid-scams/, Few outside London are mapped on website mentioned above, I have yet to read on an online forum of a tourist getting one in the mail afterwards (it's usually France or Italy), In the UK they put up advance warning signs. Hi Jeanette, Ive just signed for a letter from Italy which was a speeding fine which I committed in Aug 16 in a hire car . St. Michel and back. I'm not sure of the appeal procedure though. We have received a few queries in relation to this new European directive recently and have just published a blog explaining the finer details of the position for UK motorists. This is the version of our website addressed to speakers of English in the United States. I'm still going to try to get this sorted and will update once that happens. A new camera everyday here is installed so no mercy next time. I THINK?? If this happens it will be mandatory for the UK to comply with other countries notices that are sent to you. Here are the penalties for a speeding ticket conviction in New York: 1 to 10 mph over the limit: $138-$243 fine and 3 points ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-86988094', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');France, is it your country? Acceptance: Oh well, I'll just pay and get it over. No, I'm careful and aware of my surroundings. I think we are being charged 144 if we pay quickly, or 180 if we take longer than 30 days, but these are just educated guesses on my part. ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-53017109', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');Dordogne and our way back to the airport, we must have been zapped by a radar. It seems that all you really have to lose, is that if they disagree, they will come back to you for the full amount. I have received two speeding fines from France today, Thursday 14th March 2019. Its becoming almost impossible to be sure of the correct speed limit for any given stretch of roadway. We went on holiday to the (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? 1. It is strange that the car hire firm passed along the letter, as they usually disclose your details, at which point the authorities should send a letter to your home address. But glad to hear that there is some leeway though. Sorry almost a repeat of Planner's post !! Answer (1 of 4): The rental company will deduct it from your credit card whether you like it or not (you signed a rental agreement that said they could), unless you borrowed a friend's car instead of renting. Americans are frequent car renters in Ireland, UK, France, Germany, and Italy. In extreme cases, extradition may be ordered to any EU member state under the Extradition Act 2003, although the crime you are charged with in the foreign court must also be a crime in the country extraditing you. Time after time as you enter villages and towns you can see a couple, always a couple and never just one, of Police motorcyclists parked just off the road and almost out of sight waiting for the unsuspecting speeding driver. Hello Jeanette, Here, it is rare for drivers going less than 5 or even 10 mph over the limit to be ticketed. I try to inform as many as I can on this forum to learn the dos and donts to driving here. Have you checked your credit card charges? This topic has been automatically closed due to a period of inactivity. There are lots of resources online to learn about how speed limits and speed control works in each country and I think even if you're planning to keep it under the limit, it pays to learn about them. Speed cameras are now a common place sight in many European countries. The thing that does not seem reasonable is that people get tickets for one or two kph over the speed limit. Some are switched on, some are switched off. I made a mistake and will pay for it (120!!). The lesson I learned from that is that the locals wanted me to drive more slowly than they did which is what I plan to do next summer in France. While this isnt a definitive reason why you shouldnt pay, I will explain the potential consequences of choosing to pay or ignore the fine. I was going 117 in a 110 km zone. The Eucaris system is used as an information sharing service, developed by and for the vehicle licencing authorities (such as the DVLA here), with the authorities acting as the point of contact in each country to streamline communications instead of a mass of connections between different European registration authorities, police, customs etc. ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-86972443', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');France when I was in a rental car, one where I was apparently less than 20km over the limit of 50km where the fine is 180euros and the other I was apparently between 20-30km over the limit of 50km where the fine is 375euros! If a tourist from France got a ticket in your neck of the woods, would you expect him to pay it? Depression: What a waste of money. Also wondering whether the rental cars are specially targeted by traffic police. This new directive allows member states to track down and fine those alleged to have been committing traffic offences in any one of the 28 EU member States. My husband was really skeptical about it and so we took it to a friend who reads french and got him to translate. It is up to you to decide what you want to do. And 100 fine is extortionate! If you were speeding and got caught, I assume you'll want to take responsibility for that. That's enough to see you lose your licence, so maybe you should be grateful you got caught in (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? The purpose of the directive is to allow the member state where a traffic offence is committed to contact the UK authorities asking them to release your address so that they can inform you of and chase you to pay this fine. Specialist driving offence solicitors covering England and Wales. I've never rented a (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? Well almost one year later we got a photo radar ticket in the mail at home. Thanks for the quick suggestions/information Sarastro and Colin56! The long and the short of it is that, a foreign speeding ticket alone is probably not recognized in the UK at the moment. I think it is obvious that there is something up with France and Italy, a greater saturation or cameras, much lower thresholds, or that some countries don't pursue car renters with the same zeal. The legislative framework which surrounds speeding tickets incurred whilst on holiday in the EU is substantially more complicated than that in England. Speeding interpretation in the US is quite different. the tricky part is it's a known fact that some cars (e.g., BMW) have purposely inaccurate speedos. The other day we received a bunch of paperwork (all in French of course) indicating that, as far as I can tell, we were caught speeding (20 kph over) somewhere between Lyon and Marseilles; we actually did Lyon to Arles to Aux-in-Provence and dropped our very-capable Ford Focus in Nice (BTW address for the Europcar office is not where you actually drop the car - that's a block away up a one way street that goes the other way). That's interesting, phred. The "how" should be shown on the violation notices you received. I have had two reminders (January/April 2017) from the Berne Swiss Canton police to declare if I was the driver speeding in Alps (57Km in 40Km) back in August 2016 caught on camera. The basis of enforceability derives from a combination of International Public Law and body called Eucaris (European Car and Driving Licence Information System) which has been operational since 1994. Neither have I. It is possible that you could use this as a grounds for appeal or dispute. I got a $90 speeding ticket when my speed was 65 kph in a 50 kph area with no demerit points. That's why I was under the impression that it was 0 tolerance. ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-50339971', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');rental car firm will charge you 20 to 25 for each enquiry of a drivers address by the police in reference to a car receiving a speeding ticket. It's possible that your friend has to pay the fine if you don't. One of my German frien. The National Police should have a website in English for those who receive tickets and cannot read French. So rare, in fact, that places where strict enforcement prevails are commonly known as speed traps. The European Convention on Human Rights states that you have the right to: be informed promptly, in a language which you understands and in detail, of the nature and cause of the accusation against you. Free Member. Hi Jeanette, I have received three speeding fines in january all from the same camera on different days doing on average 10kph over the 100 limit. The European Union Cross Border Enforcement Directive was only to be transposed in the UK as of May 2017. I don't think anyone here knows for sure what will happen if you don't pay it so there's no point in speculating. The biggest problem we had in this matter though was in trying to follow the speed limit without slowing up the locals who, as you would expect, know where all the cameras are located. This however is looking likely to change in the near future, at which point the UK authorities will be obliged to enforce fines from member states of the EU. If they don't pay, they don't get insurance so in reality offenders get fined twice. Due to the circumstances surrounding the letter, you may have an argument against the fine. These were both on 12 December 2016 some 10 months ago, is there a time limit on issuing these tickets, ie do I have to pay these amounts. You may think you can hop on your easyjet flight back from ALicante and forget you ever saw the flash from the speed camera but it might not be as simple as that in the future as European countries have started to work together to overcome difficulties with enforcing speeding tickets against visitors to the country where the motoring offence took place. I would pay the ticket just to be sure that my name was clear. Lots of the radar in France are automatic ones that are located in grey boxes along the road and they also are announced in advance. This is the version of our website addressed to speakers of English in United Kingdom. When was the last time you asked for a credit check? Alternatively, you can send a . So a camera that's set for only 1 or 2 over the limit can nail you quite easily. People wishing to ask questions about the new directive, or wishing to should consider the most up to date information about the Cross Border Enforcement Directive. I would contact either the DVLA or the Italian Embassy in London on 020 7936 5900 and ask if you really need to send off your licence as this seems unusual. Can they retrospectively chase me once we get to may for incidents that happened pre may? I have a few friends and family members that have said they got fined with 2 or 3 km/h above speed limit. The timing is one year. It seems that all you really have to lose, is that if they disagree, they will come back to you for the full amount. Have you considered the possibility that someone has been using your identity for fraudulent purposes? Mine is not, it is all in Spanish. To use our mobile site, please enable JavaScript. There are also speed averaging ones in most road works areas and millions of tickets are sent out every year from all these. There must be more to this story. I got caught doing 59 in a 50 limit in menorca got letter sent to me in Spanish fine 100 euros but do you get points on your licence can anyone help thanks dave. They are dated 4th September and 29th September 2018, so it is now more than 5 months on from when these incidents happened. British drivers . I do hope that the information in this article is still correct for 2016. That's an interesting use of the principles of Dr. Elisabeth Kbler-Ross, but it certainly seems to fit the discussion at hand. It's not the speed of the other cars that you have to follow but the speed limit of the road you are driving on. How can an automatic machine that takes pictures target tourists? Being stopped by a Police patrol is not something that is advisable. I was surprised they tracked me down. In relation to why the letter you received was not in English, I am not sure why this happened as the legislation clearly states that the fine should be written in the language of the registration document. Unfortunately, there is no definitive answer as to what will specifically happen with this directive as it hasnt been implemented into our domestic law as of yet. This is looking likely to change in the near future, at which point the UK authorities will be obliged to enforce fines from member states of the EU. I visit Spain frequently and dont wish to matter to remain unresolved, but am unsure how to go forward. A winner every time, 420 euros jackpot. Must have been the Germans. The key points you need to know about driving in the UK. Pay up. Geoffrey Miller Solicitors is a trading name of Jeanette Miller Law Limited, a Limited Company Registered in England and Wales. The directive and the wording from Article 5 states as follows: Alternatively, you may use, The Originals City Le Village 49 - Angers Sud, https://www.usagers.antai.gouv.fr/demarches/saisienumero?lang=en, https://www.legipermis.com/infractions/localisation-infraction.html. This link will bring you to the French website in English outlining both the appeal and the payment process if you are interested in going down either of those routes: https://www.antai.gouv.fr/en/rubriquepage/257/avisdecontravention/commentcontester, And this link will help you file an appeal online if you so wish: 30 helpful votes. And 100 fine is extortionate! When and how can the police do a roadside drug test? I don't speak french and the only person I know that knows any of it was just able to deduce that it was a speeding ticket, the date, time and locations they had happened and the make, model and license # of the vehicle. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/speeding-fines-rise-175pc-weekly-wages-monday/. I received a speeding fine/ticket for speeding in Belgium which was forwarded to me by the car hire firm. Make a copy of the ticket and the b. It was sent on the 12th April but Ive just picked it up on 24th April. To use our mobile site, please enable JavaScript. It seems you fell foul of the 80 km speed limit that applies to motorways and dual carriage ways in built up areas. Re: speeding tickets in France. Kandoo is a comparison service that searches to find you the best Personal Loan option thats right for you. Darren is an expert on driving and transport, and is a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists. If that's how the speedo shows, I can never remember if it's set low or high. I think the best option would be to respond to it as if you were paying it within the five days, with a dated covering letter that explains that you have just received the letter and that you are responding within five days, although you appreciate that they will not receive the payment within that time. Merci! The current speed limits are 120km on motorways, 100 km on dual carriageways, 90 km on single carriage ways and 50 km in towns. Are you coming back? Also they want my liecense to issue 3 points. more, You seem to have JavaScript disabled. This won't help the OP after receiving the notification of fines but slowing down as soon as you reach a built area is something every motorist in (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? We were in France and Italy for the month of October and rented cars in both countries. 6,327 posts. Thank you for sharing, it will help many others not to do what you did. Just a heads up that there are many speed cameras in Norway. Just got a ticket in the post from Spain where I have apparently been "caught Speeding" at 88kph in an 80kph limit which seems pretty harsh if not unjustified. Sorry, if I commit an . I've been searching all day and haven't found anything other than people saying not to bother the French consulate with this. Speeding Ticket.should I pay it? I've come to the conclusion that there must be five stages of getting a ticket because it's such a common human reaction and we see this on this Forum so often: Denial: That wasn't me; they made a mistake. They have traditional stationary photo boxes on the sides of the road or above the lanes, but they also have "automatic section control." Reddit You are absolutely within your rights to withhold the rent. They probably got fined as well. I completely understand your dilemma. Hello, I have a speeding fine (Italy) sent on to me, and as I have read on other blogs, the pay within 5 days option, which I might add is 50Euro less than the pay within 60 days is already out od 5 days if i go by the letter date (11 days ago) I only received the letter a day ago, and I had to sign for it, can I use my signed for date as the start of the 5 days ? There must either be a transfer of proceedings or a finding of guilt followed by a transfer for the purposes of sentencing as a foreign judgment is not recognized as enforceable as a standalone entity. Sean. Note that recognition of a foreign penal judgment is not one of these options because, although there is a European Convention on the International Validity of Criminal Judgments which has been ratified by 22 member states, the UK is, somewhat surprisingly I feel, not one of them. Once the DVLA has cooperated with the foreign prosecuting body by way of mutual legal assistance exchanging information, there are essentially 3 options available: extradition, execution of foreign penal sentences and transfer of criminal proceedings. I confirm that the speeding fine you received whilst you were on holiday in Spain cannot be pursued by the UK authorities at present. If you ever travel abroad again, the EU have produced a guide which can be viewed online here and downloaded as an app to ensure that drivers can familiarise themselves with the driving laws of the 28 member states before they visit and take to the road. Lots of the radar in (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? The legitimate was to "beat the rap" would to not have been in possession of the vehicle in question at the time of the crime or if EuropCar misidentified the vehicle. At the moment, however, you cannot be chased in the UK for not paying the fine, but if you go back to Switzerland in the future you could face problems. I have been driving for nearly 50 years, I've never had a ticket either in the US or Canada, or in England or Europe. What Are the Penalties for a Speeding Ticket in New York? To make things even worse, several new speed zones at 30 and 70kms have been mixed in with the standard 50/90/110/130 kms limits. The website of http://www.dgt.es has an English link providing you with information in English on how to pay or dispute/appeal the fine. ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-57816357', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');France, and received two tickets in the mail at the address that my old ID was issued to.
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